In our ongoing job-market discussion thread, an anonymous reader writes:

I think the practice of the never ending job cycle needs to be fixed. It is utterly absurd to me that application deadlines for visiting positions are as late June 29th. That is, this is when they begin reviewing applications. I understand these positions may open suddenly and is beyond the control of the search committee, department, or university.

But . . . .

How is anyone applying for this kind of position supposed to make any decisions about their life?
Like signing a new lease? Having jobs ads continue to roll in this late makes it so that the cycle never really ends! As a consequence of the cycle never ending, neither does the anxiety.

Is there any remedy to this situation?

I'm not sure I entirely get this reader's worry about temporary positions. When I was on the market, I recall me and my friends who were desperate for a job being happy when a visiting position opened up late in the game. It meant there was still hope–and indeed, many people I know (including me) got visiting offers very late in the game, and were more than happy to! That being said, I very much do empathize with the reader's broader concerns about the never-ending job cycle.

I had the relatively unique experience of being on the market both before and after the market became "year round." When I first went on the market back in 2007–before there was philjobs and before academic posts were widely advertised on the web–the job cycle was much more limited in time. There were, if I recall, three "Jobs for Philosophers" packets sent out by the APA–one in early September, one in Winter, and one in Spring. One would apply for jobs in the fall or early winter, and expect to hear about interviews (by phone, not email!) in early December (the first three weeks of which were basically when you could expect to hear–or not hear–from everyone). Next, just about all interviews would take place at the Eastern or Central APA. Finally, there would be a much smaller, mainly non-TT job-market in the Spring. 

There were a lot really terrible things about the way the job-market used to be. The first few weeks of December were terrifying. You were constantly waiting for the phone to ring. Whenever it rang, you hoped it would be an interview–and of course most of the time, it wasn't. As they days ticked by, you'd get more and more stressed out. Then there was having to fly out to the Eastern, where you would either have to run from hotel to hotel to interview (if you had interviews), pack yourself into elevators with dozens of other desperate candidates, and (if you had no or few interviews) walk around and listen to other candidates talk about all of their awesome interviews, talk about other candidates, and so on. Then there was the notorious "smoker"–the giant APA ballroom where candidates had to basically elbow each other aside to try to talk to tables of search committees. Good times. But I digress.

As terrible as the old job-cycle was, at least it was mostly packed into several months. Because I was on the job-market for so long, I happened to also weather the new, round-the-clock, round-the-year job-cycle–and I am honestly not sure what was worse. On the one hand, it is nice to know that a job can open up at any time. On the other hand, as our anonymous reader points out, it is basically a recipe for non-stop, year-round stress. Which I can firmly personally attest is awful

Is there anything that can be done about this? Should we try to do anything about it? The APA put out a statement a few years ago that read in part, "For tenure-track/continuing positions advertised in the second half of the calendar year, we recommend an application deadline of November 1 or later." I take it the intent here was to advocate for a more "regular" job-market calendar, where applications for TT jobs at least would be due around the same time (and especially avoid deadlines creeping earlier and earlier to snag candidates before other schools have an opportunity to interview them). However, it does not seem like this statement has done much (if anything) to address the "never-endingness" of the cycle. What do you all think? 

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11 responses to “The never-ending job cycle”

  1. anon

    Just to flesh out the reader’s worry, as I’ve experienced it (last year I had interviews in July and August for work starting in September): if you’re applying for “late in the game” jobs it can be a bit of a logistical nightmare to pack up and move and find a new place on short notice, or to leave your current place on short notice (How many month’s notice do local laws require you to give a current landlord about your move?), etc.
    Not to mention that fact that you’re spending the summer applying for jobs and being anxious and packing rather than, say, properly focusing on writing a paper or preparing one of those courses you’ll (maybe!) be teaching in September.
    As for whether anything should or could be done about this – I do think that institutions would get better work out of people who aren’t preparing things quite so last minute, and obviously sorting these decisions out more quickly would be better for the lives of workers. But I suspect that the schools running searches so late already realize this, and are running the search late for reasons out of their control (e.g when the university’s budget gets set, or someone unexpectedly going on leave.)

  2. Other side

    I think the old system was pretty lousy. The old system, which Marcus describes quite well, required that one prepare applications for a great number of jobs – 60 or more – in a very short period of time. Perhaps two or three weeks. It made it hard to customize things, and anyone who sat on a hiring committee has a story about an applicant applying fro a job at place X and the cover letter saying “I would really love to work at place Y” – applications were rushed. And hard copies had to be posted. Further, when the calendar was shortened, then at one point in the season people were in despair because they knew nothing was going to come up until next fall. That was a huge source of anxiety. As it happened I got my first (limited term) job the year I defended my Ph.D. I was offered the job at the beginning of July for a start date of early Sept. I had already committed to teaching a 6 week summer course. So I could not rush my move, and it was a cross-continent move. (I feel like this is a Monty Python skit … we slept in a cardboard box, and ate broke glass for breakfast). My point was each system has drawbacks.

  3. Marcus Arvan

    Other side: Thanks for weighing in. I would add there are some benefits to the current system.
    In the old job-market, most if not all of your interviews would take place over the span of several days at the APA. If you had multiple interviews, this meant that you had to prepare for all of them simultaneously and somehow remember stuff about each university, department, etc. It also meant that whatever mistakes you might make in one interview might carry over into other interviews (i.e. you could make the same mistake again, or simply carry over emotions from one interview to the next).
    In the current job-market, your interviews may be spread out over several months. This allows you to focus on preparing for one interview at a time. It also gives you time to reflect on previous interviews, on what went well and what didn’t, which can help you prepare better for the next interview.
    In other words, there are costs and benefits to a more protracted job market (the old way), but also costs and benefits to a year-round market. Like I said in the OP, I am honestly not certain which one is better, all things considered.

  4. Amanda

    I understand the reader’s worry. So often when applying for, interviewing, and accepting jobs, I felt like employers had no understanding/concern/or appreciation for practical realities. Examples: moving across the country with no moving budget, waiting 6 months to get refunded when you do have a budget, going from the west to the east coast and having an 8am interview. , being asked to front 2k worth of interview travel expenses, etc. These types of worries, and worries about leases and giving notice, are REAL problems that can make it difficult to do anything else (like research or class prep) than spend time working on how you are going to accomplish logistical endeavors. I can’t explain how frustrated I was when I would try to describe my situation to dead ears. So many people seemed to assume that because THEIR personal financial/family/living situation didn’t have the same problems as mine, that therefore my problems were no big deal.
    The above said, I have no good news. I just honestly doubt anything will change. There is not enough organization or incentive. And there are so many desperate candidates that some qualified person will accept being treated this way. The APA, statement, for example, did nothing. And the APA as an organization is so controversial (despised by a large chunk of philosophers) that they have no power. And no one else has power as each university has its own system/bureaucracy.
    Also, I don’t mean to imply that this is what others were implying….BUT…. just because the old system was perhaps worse doesn’t mean this one isn’t terrible.

  5. YoungishPhilo

    Amanda, I’m curious (having followed your saga via your many interesting blog posts over the years): Have you found a TT job, or at least a position you’re happy in? I hope so.
    And for the record, I think the APA is an awful, pernicious, unhelpful organization, staffed by greedy and morally bankrupt people. Simply terrible.

  6. Marcus Arvan

    YoungishPhilo: I posted your comment, but want to remind you of the blog’s mission. I won’t post further comments that allege that various people or organizations are greedy or intellectually bankrupt. Anyone is of course free here to make reasoned arguments–including arguments raising moral questions. But I do expect, at least on this blog, that arguments are made with the blog mission in mind: in ways that are respectful of those visiting this forum, including those one may have moral qualms with.

  7. Amanda

    YoungishPhilo – thank you. And yes, I have a nice TT position. Nicer than I ever expected, actually. I think I probably need more time to see how happy I am, but so far I am very grateful. That said, I am very aware that things could have worked out differently, so I try to look at thinks from a variety of perspectives.

  8. Michel X.

    Speaking of never-ending, I just got an HR rejection for a postdoc I applied to three years ago.

  9. Marcus Arvan

    Michel: oof. I once had a school send me at least a dozen repeated robo-email rejections spaced out over a year and a half! No joke. The first few times it ticked me off. Then I found it endlessly amusing. Like, damn, they must have really hated me. 😉

  10. Amanda

    I am fairly certain I got a rejection letter from a job I never applied to….

  11. Michel X.

    Marcus: that’s kind of awful. Ugh!

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