In the comments section of our new 'Ask a search-committee member' thread, anon writes: 'Would someone without any major publications almost be immediately disqualified from consideration for a TT position?'

Although it's unclear what anon means by 'major publications', as two comments later in the thread indicate, I think the answer here is yesboth for R1 jobs and jobs at more teaching-focused institutions (SLACs, CCs, etc.)–though for very different reasons. Allow me to explain.


In response to anon's query, Recent PHD wrote:

I'm not a search committee member, but if you scan appointments on philjobs or placement records on "top" department websites you will see that there certainly are people who get jobs without publications. A trend seems to be, however, graduating from a very "top" school. 

Although I haven't done job-market statistics for a few years now, back when I did them I found that more than one-third of all hires for R1 jobs had zero publications. Crucially, however, Leiter-rank appeared to play a huge role here. Of the 34 people that year who got R1 jobs with zero publications, 31 were from Leiter top-25 schools.

Now, it's always possible that things have changed since 2012, but if anon is right, it looks like things haven't changed much: recent placements still suggest that people from "top" departments still get jobs without pubs. Finally, from experience I think there's a reason for this: R1 committees often appear interested in gambling on people who 'might be the next star.' Back when I was in graduate school, I was told (by more than one person in the know) that at some top-programs graduate students were told not to publish precisely because it would give them an element of mystery–leading search committees at other R1's to think they might be the next Great Philosopher (whereas actual publications might reveals that they're not!). This is absurd of course–but as I hope we all know by now, absurdity is the norm in this human life, not the exception.

After Recent PHD's comment, anonymous wrote:

I teach in a program with a very non "top" PhD program. When our graduates get tenure track jobs, they exclusively get teaching-focused jobs. And they do so sometimes with publications and sometimes without. But when they do have publications, they are often not what I would consider "major" publications. However, I do think that having publications is a significant advantage for teaching jobs as well as research jobs.

This is also an important comment. I've said it many times, but I'll say it again: search committees at many teaching-focused schools could care less about "major publications." Although I am sure there are exceptions, my experience with the market is that people at teaching schools are not typically looking to hire people who have published in Mind, Nous, or whatever. They are looking for people who can publish enough to get tenure, but who are great teachers, colleagues, and members of the community and profession.

To be clear, anonymous is right: zero publications can be a real disadvantage in applying for 'teaching jobs.' Although zero publications is not necessarily a disqualifier, people at teaching jobs do want to know that you can publish–because if you can't, you won't get tenure. Thus, there is (in my experience) a strong preference for candidates who have a publishing record. However, 'major' publications are in no way a requirement, and in my experience search committees at teaching institutions are at least equally likely to look positively on someone with a number of 'lesser' publications as they would look on someone with a few 'major' publications. 

Long story short, it's possible to get a TT job–both at research and teaching institutions–without any publications, let alone without any 'major' ones. However, if you want to get a job at an R1 with no publications, it seems like you had better come from a highly-Leiter-ranked program; and when it comes to teaching schools, a focus on 'major' publications is misguided. What matters more is that you can publish and are a great teacher, colleague, etc. 

But of course these are my just my thought, based on my experience and informal data gathered a while ago. What are your thoughts?

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11 responses to “Competitive without ‘major’ publications?”

  1. Anon

    Firstly, I can’t help myself from pointing out that you mean “could NOT care less”! Pet peeve of mine.
    Secondly, are “major” publications only counted as top generalist journals? Or do top specialist journals (i.e. the top tier journals for a subject) count too?

  2. SLACer

    I think the answer to your question is yes. I work at a SLAC where I am the only philosopher. Even for jobs at our school we see well over 100 applications. Thus we are looking for reasons to cut folks. Having no peer-reviewed publications is a reason to cut someone. However, we don’t care about seeing you in ‘top 20’ publications. In fact, I have been hired at two institutions where no one on the SC was a philosopher, and as such did not know what the top journal were.

  3. Paul

    Anon: I think that would depend on one’s sub-discipline. It seems to me–though I don’t follow these areas closely–that areas such as philosophy of physics, biology, perhaps law or environmental ethics, and certainly non-Western traditions are very difficult to get placed in the top generalist journals, and if search committees are looking for those specialties then surely they know the barriers to publishing. However, if you work in Metaphysics, epistemology, logic, or theoretical ethics, then yes I think a major publication is in a top 20 generalist journal. Now, if you work outside of those four areas and are applying for an open position, the burden is on you to explain in your cover letter why your publications are in the top journals in your area.

  4. Grad student (ethicist)

    I worry a little that Paul’s comment might be too quick: wouldn’t a journal like Ethics or Phil and Public Affairs would count as a top tier journal for a theoretical ethicist too? Similarly, Bulletin of Symbolic Logic (I’m not a logician but I vaguely recall a logician mentioning that it’s a good journal) for logic?

  5. Al

    A note on people with 0 publications from top programs. In my experience those files often come with letters from big names who say that this person is about to be a big deal and has 2-3 papers that will land at the Phil review and change the landscape. Looking back, these promises aren’t usually met.

  6. Marcus Arvan

    “Looking back, these promises aren’t usually met.” Yep, it’s a terrible practice that does a disservice to everyone. It does a disservice to well published people who are passed over for the job, and it does a disservice to the person hired—who in these cases ends up not getting tenure.

  7. anonymous

    Sorry, but let’s not overgeneralize here. How could you possibly know whether “these promises aren’t usually met”? I can think of a large number of people who got jobs with zero publications and DID meet this promise. I can also think of only a small handful of people who actually ended up not getting tenured who started off in this position. And I can think of a lot of people who maybe didn’t FULLY meet the promise, but still ended up with a publication record and career that rivaled that of the people they were competing for for the job (that is, maybe they didn’t become superstars or game-changers, but they have solid careers). You can think there is a problem here without making claims that you can’t support. Surely it’s good enough if these promises are SOMETIMES not met.

  8. Marcus Arvan

    Anonymous: that’s a fair point. I understand why programs gamble on candidates, and there certainly are some who go on to fulfill the promise. But there are also a good number who don’t – and (at least in my view) its a shame that this happens fairly often, both because there are well-accomplished people who are passed over but also because those who don’t get tenure end up in a bad spot. But I appreciate your point about not overgeneralizing.

  9. Paul

    Grad student (ethicist): First, that’s why I made a distinction between theoretical and applied ethics, and even then, said maybe certain applied areas and law would be difficult to get in major journals. Second, yes, we should distinguish which journals are major, and that, unfortunately, is highly contentious. If by major we only mean Leiter top 20 generalist journals, then my point still stands. If we expand to include top, highly ranked specialist journals, then you are right. And I would rather you be right…

  10. Mike Titelbaum

    Just to comment on the generalist/specialist journals issue: Right now I’m spending all day every day reading dozens and dozens of applications for our philosophy of science search. The members of our committee recognize that it’s a big deal to get published in a journal like BJPS, just like it’s a big deal to get published in Phil Review. Also, I’ve been educating myself on what are the best journals for various sub-sub-disciplines, like philosophy of biology or philosophy of physics. So no, I don’t think it’s a requirement that your publications be in a generalist journal, as long as you’re publishing in well-respected specialist journals. (This coming from the perspective of an R1 tenure-track search.)
    p.s. Hello out there to any candidates for our job who might be reading this! We are working hard and hope to get word to you soon.…

  11. Paul

    Mike: that is good to hear! Seems like the reasonable way to go about it.

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