In our newest "how can we help you?" thread, an anxious grad student asks:

In my PhD program many of the students believe that the faculty rank the grad students in their once-a-semester meeting to discuss grad student progress. The faculty deny this, but I think these rumors contribute to the somewhat competitive environment in our program. Whom should we the grad students believe? Is ranking students (still) a common practice in PhD programs? Do universities even allow it?

Good questions. I seem to recall some rumors in my grad department about this too, but I don't know if anyone ever asked about it and if someone ever did, I would think that the grad faculty should be honest about it. Two other readers submitted follow up comments:

Certainly when I was a graduate student, faculty did rank the students, and they were compelled to when it came to supporting applications for competitive graduate grants (provincial and national in Canada). And I had heard that at Columbia they openly posted the ranking of grad students in the 1980s. In fact, you are going to be ranked all the time in this profession. And it does create a rather destructive competitive atmosphere. But to think you won't be ranked is naive. – by 'ambivalent'

[W]hile I am not sure about ranking culture in general, I do know that departments (or, the DGS or chair in charge) would often rank students in order to make recommendations for, say, university-wide competitive funding opportunities. What may end up happening is that the same student(s) would both get those internal findings and a job offer, so the internal money just goes back to the grad school, instead of going to the second person in line. – by 'To anxious grad'

Do any other readers have any helpful insights?

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7 responses to “Do grad departments rank grad students?”

  1. cecil burrow

    When grad students are nominated for university-wide awards, often the administration requires a ranking. Beyond that I have never heard of rankings of grad students in my 20-odd years in the profession, either at any institution I have worked at, or from colleagues telling me about their own institutions. We have enough to do without wasting time on that.

  2. fancy department faculty member

    We absolutely do not do this in our meetings on graduate student progress.
    The rankings happen (where they happen at all) primarily in letters of recommendation. But that’s a whole other discussion.

  3. Tenured now

    Nope, we do not rank our graduate students. For university-wide awards we will usually need to choose one student to nominate, but don’t do ranking beyond that.

  4. has problems with authority

    I think that concerns about an overly competitive climate among grad students are quite serious. I was lucky enough to have a collaborative and helpful climate in my grad school, but I know that others have had a different experience elsewhere and that this lead to more drop-outs and less productivity. Competitive funding and prizes can contribute to such an atmosphere, especially when the regular funding package is too small.
    As for faculty ranking grad students at meetings “just for comparison”: I don’t know whether this is common (I doubt it is). But if it is — I do think there is such a thing as too much respect for your professor’s opinions. It’s important to have a good relationship with one’s mentors in the department, but it really doesn’t matter what some other faculty member you haven’t talked to in three years thinks about you. Worrying about what they think of you is unnecessary and bad for your self-esteem. Try to reflect critically on your work for yourself, but also believe in its strengths, rather than making your confidence dependent on the judgments of others. A supportive grad student community can help a great deal with that.
    So, my advice would be: if you are sure that your faculty are ranking you without need, think about why they might enjoy being so judgmental. Alternatively, get together with the other grads and rank your professors for “least time spent on teaching prep” and “most papers that make essentially the same point”… that should help you ignore those supposed rankings.

  5. has problems with grad students

    Though I have no concrete information I highly doubt the faculty would waste their time ranking you all (unless they need to for some funding purpose or something similar). Knowing philosophers a little bit I know there is almost nothing they agree on, and I can only imagine such an exercise leading to far more disagreement than anyone would tolerate.
    I mostly, however, wanted to add to/disagree with those with problems with authority: On the one hand, if your faculty are doing this then everything they said is right and you should not waste your time worrying about such foolish people. On the other hand, unfortunately, I don’t think other grad students are necessarily your friends—and you should take everything that they say with a huge dose of salt. If you have a truly supportive group that is great, but if you have a group in which “support” means bitching and moaning and going on about how bad everything is (in your department, the profession, the wider world, or whatever), then go find some outside friends who are actually support you by being pleasant to be around.
    My advice would be to ignore this noise and get on with doing philosophy—that is what matters (professionally, morally, and, I hope, personally) in the end.

  6. One more

    Just another data point: I have from very good sources that our department does rank grad students. But it’s not some pointless exercise or game; it’s for the determination of university-wide awards and the sort.
    I’m not sure if it’s bad, or necessary, or unhelpful. “Ranking grad students” does sound bad, but I guess “having a method to nominate grad students” doesn’t sound as bad.

  7. Back Patter

    We don’t rank, but there’s something I feel needs saying in response to all the cheers for a “supportive graduate student environment.” I agree that this is very important, and from my own recent grad school experience, I’d say the student community is as important as faculty.
    But, there is (only) one area where that supportiveness can go too far, namely in reviewing each other’s work. You absolutely need peers who will be MUCH more candid, blunt, and yes, harsh about your ideas than the faculty, who have many reasons to be delicate.

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