In our June “how can we help you?” thread, a reader writes:

‘Radical’ as this might sound, I wonder Marcus if you would consider eliminating the job market reporting thread, and also placing an enforceable ban on reporting in the discussion thread (which obviously people would try to do) so that we could go back to a place where you just do your best on your materials, send your applications out, and get back to your life. I won’t pretend this is an entirely unselfish request, but as far as I am concerned we all did just fine without a reporting thread for years, and it doesn’t seem to me like the amount of compulsive checking folks do on here starting 9/15 and going all the way until mid-April is really supportive of the mental well-being of individuals in the profession (and isn’t it at least somewhat part of the mission of the blog to be a space where the rough side of our profession is considered and brought into open reflection? Well, this is now one of them IMO).

Should we vote? I vote eliminate.

I’m sympathetic with the OP’s concern that job-market boards can be detrimental to well-being. In fact, when I was on the market, I avoided similar boards for just this reason: I am not the kind of person for whom compulsively checking things is helpful. However, although I’m always willing to considering things, here are two reasons why the job boards exist and why I think they still should.

First, I am extremely reticent to generalize from some people’s psychology to others. Human beings are incredibly diverse folk–as anyone with family, friends, a marriage, etc., can attest. It can often be hard to understand how things that one wouldn’t find “healthy” in one’s own case can be things that other people sincerely appear to psychologically need or benefit from. Of course, sometimes one can be of the firm conviction that what they think they need is unhealthy for them–but in those cases, provided we are dealing with adults, the proper recourse is I think to make a persuasive case to them to change their behavior, not to decide unilaterally for them that what they think benefits them doesn’t. Which is what I think removing the job boards–even if it were decided by a vote–would do.

Second–and readers such as the OP may or may not remember this–before the Cocoon hosted its two job boards, there were other forums (“The Philosophy Smoker” and various anonymous “metablogs”) which hosted similar discussions, albeit with little to no moderation that resulted in posts that many people in the profession (myself included) considered objectionable, toxic, or even unethical. Part of the reason that I started the job-boards here–after those other forums went defunct–was to hopefully ensure that if these kinds of discussions were to occur, they could at least occur here where there are moderating standards to avoid the kinds of objectionable content that repeatedly occurred at those other forums. I think the Cocoon’s forums have mostly succeeded at that (with a few hiccups here and there that were addressed due to reader concerns citing the blog’s mission).

Anyway, I worry that canceling the job boards here would likely lead such discussions to migrate elsewhere again–and so my thought is, even if people like the OP don’t like them, it’s best all things considered for the Cocoon to have them. Sure, this may be a “lesser-evil” justification, but for all that, my belief is that it’s probably a good one given what came before–and again, I suspect there are other people (e.g., many of the boards’ commenters) who think the boards are beneficial at least for them.

What do readers think?

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9 responses to “Canceling the Cocoon’s job-discussion & reporting boards?”

  1. Anonymous

    As someone who has legit (diagnosed) OCD and genuinely suffered from compulsions surrounding this thread for years, I take it I am one of the people OP thinks they’d be “protecting” by canceling the thread. I think OP is wrong to request this and that it would be a disservice to the profession to follow through with it. To give you a sense of the value it brings: thanks to highly specific info from a good Samaritan on this thread, I was able to time things correctly post-fly outs so that I didn’t miss out on accepting my dream job because I’d already accepted another offer. I also know of many others who have found the info in the reporting thread to be legitimately useful (and sometimes crucial!) over the years.

    Also, as someone in a similar boat to OP, it’s on you (not the world) to manage your compulsions. Asking for a beneficial (for many) resource to be taken away because you can’t manage your compulsions is insanely selfish, sorry!

  2. Anonymous

    I agree that checking the job thread as much as I do is probably not good for my mental health overall. Alas, I am weak-willed, on the internet all of the time, and that part of me wants to keep the board.

  3. Anonymous

    The job thread is the only thing, as far as I can tell, that provides real-time (ish) information to job seekers. I have been on the market for years, and I can say that knowledge when you’re out of the running for something is MUCH preferred to ignorance.

  4. I agree with your reasoning, Marcus. I don’t really see the point of the job board (has it ever helped anyone?) and even if it has a point it probably does more harm than good, but the fix for the harm should come from within, so to speak, and it does less harm than whatever would likely take its place if it didn’t exist.

  5. Anonymous

    I hope we retain some basic sense of liberalism here. If you don’t want it to be checked, don’t check it. Allow it to remain so that others may check it.

  6. Anon

    The jobs boards are valuable to some and optional to all. So I see absolutely no reason to take them down. I understand that opting out is genuinely difficult for some of us too. But there are ways of managing compulsive online behaviors, including site-blockers.

    I also agree with Marcus that the demand for such a forum is high enough that taking it down here will just result in one popping up elsewhere. Maybe it will be moderated there too, maybe not. But it certainly would make the info less accessible, since many of us might not know where the new forum is located for a while. So in addition to guarding against reviving toxic versions of the job boards, I think keeping this one up also guards against reviving an insiderism that the Cocoon has helped to mitigate.

  7. Anonymous

    I have a story a bit like the first responder’s: I am currently TT at an R1 and I found out I was getting an interview for the position because someone else posted on the reporting thread that invites were out. Mine had got caught in the spam filter. I only checked because of the posting. So, the reporting thread has been useful in that way.

    But I see where the OP is coming from, too. In both the discussion and the reporting threads, there are many posts by people who are not doing a good job managing the stress of the market. I don’t blame them, really, but it’s still bad for them. In some cases, it also makes the threads less useful as sources of information.

    So, I think it might be helpful to consider what tools can help people on the market self-regulate?

    Thanks to Marcus for running Cocoon and the much healthier alternative to the Smoker.

  8. Anonymous

    I agree that checking too much is bad. But I think the benefits outweigh nuking the boards. Besides the ones already mentioned, I think having the boards helps increase traffic here and gets people to provide valuable answers to important questions elsewhere on this page and allows people to feel to some extent they are not alone in going through this awful process.

  9. Anonymous

    I wonder if it’s possible to have comments made on the reporting thread not show up in the recently made comments section. On mobile, that section is at the very top of the site (and it’s very useful there in most instances!). However, its place there makes it difficult to gain the many benefits that come from reading the Cocoon, without at least sometimes seeing information about the market. (And it can be very hard to see some info and not get drawn in, even if you’d rather not get so drawn! This is why social media platforms love to send push notifications to your phone, if you let them).

    This solution would make it easier to avoid the thread without avoiding the Cocoon, while also still letting the thread continue to fulfill its valuable function.

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