In the comments section of our newest "how can we help you?" post, Amanda writes:

It might be a good idea to have a post about moving jobs. Suppose one is a junior professor and wants to move jobs (the situation I know of is someone who wants to move for a spouse.) Does it make sense to do this before tenure or after? And what difference does it make in each of the following situations:

1. at a teaching school trying to move to another teaching school.
2. at a research school trying to move to another research school.
3.at a teaching school trying to move to a research school.
4..at a research school trying to move to a teaching school.

The situation I know of is actually 4. This person is not sure they can move "up", and thinks chances of getting the right location at a teaching school is better.

I think this is a great query, as I have the pretty clear sense that a lot of people are looking to move 'laterally' from one tenure-stream job to another. In fact, I've also encountered a surprising number of cases of people willing to move down in rank (e.g. from tenured Associate to tenure-track Assistant) for various reasons (e.g. better location, moving from a teaching program to an R1, etc.). My sense here comes from several sources, including just talking to people (where I've heard a lot of people say they have 'feelers' out on the market pretty much every year to see if they can move).

So, then, what are the answers to Amanda's questions? 


Personally, I don't have much of a clear sense about whether it makes more sense to try to move jobs before or after tenure. I have heard from at least one source that departments, deans, and other administrators may be resistant to hiring people willing to move down in rank (from tenured Associate to tenure-track Assistant). Why? Because, or so I was told, the person being hired may be unhappy in their lower-rank and then potentially put pressure on people to move back up in rank prematurely after being hired – in other words, making for difficult dynamics that hiring institutions may want to avoid. However, I have no idea how representative this person's testimony is, nor do I have any clear idea how hard it is to move laterally after tenure (i.e. from one tenured job into another tenured job with the same rank).

So, for those of you who have been involved in this sort of thing, how would you answer Amanda's first question: if someone wants to move, does it make more sense try before tenure or after? Also, does the answer depend on which of Amanda's four scenarios is at issue?:

  1. at teaching school trying to move to another teaching school?
  2. at a research school trying to move to another research school?
  3. at a teaching school trying to move to a research school?
  4. at a research school trying to move to a teaching school?

It would be really great to hear some answers to these questions from people "in the know"!

 

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3 responses to “Reader query on lateral moves”

  1. Chris

    My own case was one of (2), for spousal reasons, though I would’ve been happy with (4) as well. The advice I was given about why to try to move before tenure: most jobs are for tenure track (pre-tenure) positions. There are relatively fewer tenured positions advertised. I don’t know if that’s still true (I haven’t checked the last couple of years), but if it is, that is a big reason to try to move pre-tenure. Maybe this varies by subspecialty, I dunno.

  2. Michel

    The conventional wisdom, at least, is that lateral moves are much easier before tenure (not least because before tenure, you can apply to the TT jobs, rather than relying primarily on having “feelers” out).

  3. Mover

    I think it is probably easier to move from a teaching position to a research one before tenure because (i) there are just more entry level jobs posted, and (ii) very few people look like they are better or more promising researchers 7-10 years out, especially after working at a teaching school where teaching demands are heavy, and resources for research are scant. One way people post-tenure move is by acquiring administrative experience. Not as a chair, but as an associate dean or such. But then one has to stay in that sort of role. But this is an effective strategy for couples on the market trying to get jobs at the same institution. I have also seen a number of people, not only philosophers, move from research places to teaching colleges around tenure. This is sometimes due to the fact that they lose their bid for tenure at the Research school. Teaching places are often quite delighted to pick up such people. To relate this discussion to other ones on this blog, EVERYONE should be living their career as if this were their life (it is, after all), and expect that they will not be able to move. So make your job a nice place to work and embrace the community you are in.

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