A reader writes in:

I was wondering if I could get The Cocoon's response to the following couple of questions: 

1) Is a single publication in an edited volume (put out by a good press) better than no publications at all when heading onto the market (assuming you also do have some stuff out and under view)? 

2) What is a hiring committees perception of a graduate student who has a paper in an edited volume?

I figure the answer to 1) is obviously "yes," so I guess 2) is the more important question. 

One comment before I leave you to it: I have heard people say that edited volumes are where good publications go to die, which I think is silly. I work primarily in the history of philosophy, and I often find that essays in edited volumes are much more interesting than essays in journals, since in journals you mostly find articles of the form "X said this Aristotle on motivation, Z said this on Aristotle on motivation, here I come, Y, and I will say this." Whereas in volumes, you find work that is exploring neglected views, or just taking some risks. In any case, I guess there is the worry that hiring committees might ask themselves: "If this is a publishable paper, why isn't it in a journal?" The answer is often: because it grew out of a conference that had a book contracted for the talks. But still, I could see this question arising. 

Good questions. Although this data is seven years old now, my sense has long been that candidates coming out of top programs don't necessarily need any publications in order to get a TT job (has this changed?). Indeed, when I was in grad school, the word on the street was that it was actually better to have no publications coming out of a top program than publications in "weak" venues. So, I'm not sure having a publication in an edited volume is better than nothing, at least for candidates coming from top-ranked programs. For other candidates, I think a publication in an edited volume probably is better than nothing. Indeed, having served on four hiring committees now, I can attest to this. However, even here I think there are several important caveats to bear in mind.


First, my experience is that search committees probably do lend significantly less weight to publications in edited volumes than journal publications. The reason for this is plausibly two-fold. On the one hand, I've heard some people say that publications in edited volumes may be more about "who you know" than the quality of the work. I don't mean to say I agree with this, just that it's something I've heard people say. Consequently, only having publications in edited volumes may lead search committee members to have a question in the back of their minds: namely, is this person's work really good, or are they just really good at networking? Then there's the issue of tenure. People hiring for TT jobs are often, in my experience, very much concerned with whether the person they hire is likely to get tenure. In brief, you're not going to get tenure at most places for publishing in edited volumes (for the reasons noted above). People on tenure and promotion committees typically want to see publications in peer-reviewed journals. So, then, for these reasons I think publications in edited volumes may be a positive. Nevertheless, they may not make you look at attractive as candidates who have published in peer-review journals.

Second, on the question of whether edited-volumes are where good articles go to die. I'm not sure whether this is true as a generalization–but, for all that, I do have some anecdotal experience that seems to cohere with the claim. I published one article in an edited volume with a very good press several years ago. I think it was a good article on a topic of real public importance (the normative consequences of election results, including the nomination of Supreme Court justices). Further, I think the volume as a whole–which included some well-known people–was really good. Nevertheless, it's been two years now since the volume was published, and I still haven't seen a single review of it, and unlike many of my other articles which have been cited and engaged with at least a little bit, my article in that volume hasn't been cited or engaged with at all. Of course, maybe two years is too little lag time for the work to get out there, and I still have plans to publish in some edited volumes moving forward (which I hope will be read). But I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried that the first volume I published in really was where some good articles went to die.

But, of course, these are just my thoughts and experiences. What are yours, particularly those of you who have served on search committees?

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24 responses to “Publications in edited volumes & the market”

  1. Jordan

    As a fellow historian of philosophy, it has also been my experience that edited volumes play a more important role than perhaps they do in other subfields. I work on Nietzsche, and can think of lots of examples of important and oft-cited articles that appeared in edited volumes.

  2. Paul

    Yes, many oft-cited articles on Plato, Aristotle, and Kierkegaard for example come from edited collections. I think they can be very valuable and are more fun to publish in because you can be more ambitious and creative. Also, with philpages and academia.edu I think its starting to matter less, as its easier to see things when the come out (or are about to come out) no matter the venue. But that’s for a different conversation…
    As for whether it will get you a job, I definitely its better to have at least one journal article along with the edited volume, but my sense is that for teaching schools and SLACs, whatever you can do to show that you are actively publishing can be an important part of your dossier.
    Marcus: do edited volumes really count for nothing at your institution? I certainly need a critical mass of single-authored journal articles, but other kinds of pubs can be a part of the overall dossier.

  3. Marcus Arvan

    Hey Paul: Thanks for the question. They definitely count at my institution (indeed, conference presentations and non-peer-reviewed popular publications count too). It’s just my impression that they may not count for as much as journal articles–and that one almost certainly needs some journal publications to do well in the T&P process (as only having publications in edited volumes could well give rise to the kinds of questions noted in my OP).

  4. Marcus Arvan

    One other thing I think may be worth noting here is that even if it is common practice in (e.g.) the philosophy of philosophy to publish in edited volumes, one cannot necessarily count on search committees knowing this. So again, while I think publications in edited volumes can help on the market, I’m still inclined to think journal publications are better, all things being equal.

  5. E

    It’s worth keeping in mind that not all edited volumes are created alike. For example, all of the volumes across the different Oxford Studies series (Oxford Studies in Phil Mind, Metaethics, and so on) are edited AND refereed. In fact, they often have to pass two stages of refereeing – first during CfA or the initial CfP and then after revised drafts have been submitted. These count just as strongly toward tenure at my institution as ordinary refereed journal articles.
    Then there’s edited volumes that aren’t refereed.

  6. Paul

    Thanks for the response, Marcus. I agree on both counts: 1. that peer-reviewed journal articles are necessary for tenure at just about any place that required publications for tenure, and 2. that its always going to look better to have journal articles.
    The reason for 2 is clear to anyone who has done both: publishing in edited volumes tends to be SO much easier than journals. As discussed ad nauseam here, journal publishing is a nightmare. Edited collections are more about attending the right conference and knowing the right people. I don’t think that that means the quality is necessarily different, we just all know that they are not held to the same standard.

  7. I agree that some edited volumes are hardly more than a collection of papers with no added value on the part of the editors. However, in other cases edited volumes, just like special issues of journals, are:
    a) peer-reviewed
    b) involve an enormous amount of added value on the part of the editor(s)
    c) are the only chance to make a specific contribution to the field which one could not make alone (think of the contribution of the volumes which invented/discovered topics such as animal rights or Chinese ethics).

  8. Grad student here.

    Grad student here. A bit tangential, but I tend to really like edited volumes. Perhaps I’ve just been lucky and read mostly ones that have had a lot of “added value” by the editors. But even when some chapters in such volumes have been low quality, the value of edited volumes (to me) is that they have allowed me to orient myself quickly to the kinds of work happening in certain areas of philosophy, under certain banners. In other words, they have helped me create a mental map of some of philosophy’s taxonomies, which has helped me to contextualize my own work or at least learn how “deep” an area is. An idiosyncratic reason for their appeal is also that I tend toward synthesis rather than dissection,* so finding links between the chapters within volumes is very rewarding to me personally, but I think dissection is the natural MO for most analytic philosophers.
    *this is a huge generalization, obv.

  9. Amanda

    I have been paying close attention to who gets hired at research schools over the past few years, and in a number of cases I have seen someone from a top ranked place with only publications in edited volumes get hired.
    My take: typically these publications count much more than nothing yet notably less than journal articles. However, if the volume is a top press and the journal article a low press, research schools might prefer the edited piece. There are all sorts of other variations, but the general rule holds in most cases.
    Lastly, I definitely know schools that would accept edited volume publications for tenure. Some research schools would accept this, even with no journal articles, if one also had a book, or a book in the works. This really irritates me. I don’t think it is fair. But it happens. Some teaching schools that have a lower emphasis on research would accept them as well. I am for sure not saying this is common, but it happens.

  10. I asked the question

    Original questioner here: From what I have gathered, it seems fair to say that a piece in an ed. volume looks better when it is alongside something in a peer-reviewed journal. But it also seems to be that it depends on the volume. Stuff in peer-reviewed volumes looks good (i.e. Oxford meta- and normamtive ethics). One other thing that seems to have emerged here is that some good pieces end up in ed. volumes because they just do not have the chance to survive anywhere else, given the climate of philosophy. So in that sense, again, it depends on the volume.

  11. anonymous

    Amanda: why are you irritated by people getting tenure with whatever their file is? Getting tenure is not a zero sum game or a competition. It seems very strange to me to be upset that some people are getting tenure without peer reviewed journal publications at research schools, unless (a) they are at your school and (b) you do not get tenure with a significantly more impressive file.
    I personally wouldn’t wish not getting tenure on anyone, except someone who creates serious climate issues, or is a horrible colleague or teacher. And even if I try to get into a competitive mindset, this isn’t like the job market–it is in no sense a zero sum game.

  12. anonymous

    p.s. I’m not at all trying to attack you and sorry if I came across that way. But I’m worried that the attitude you describe is kind of prevalent and also ungrounded. And I think it is dangerous because it sometimes spreads to things like refereeing (“this paper doesn’t deserve to be in this journal given that they rejected my better paper”) etc. (NOT suggesting you do this. I just think we need to take a hard look at what we treat as a competition and what opportunities we take to instead support and lift each other up.)

  13. Amanda

    anonymous: it bothers me because I think the process is sometimes unfair, and that it generally further entrenches the already very pervasive elitist power structures in philosophy. Sure, tenure isn’t exactly a zero sum game, but philosophy jobs certainly are, and if someone gets tenure who does not merit it, then they take a job that could be there for someone who does merit it. This is not to say that everyone who has the profile I mention does not merit tenure. I am sure some do. But I also think that some do not, and that the particular career path I mentioned gives a plausible path for those who do not deserve tenure getting it.
    I don’t know why any of this has to have something to do with me personally. I care about the profession and the professions norms, and my own situation is not really relevant to any of that. So I guess I don’t get your comment about someone getting tenure and me not getting it. My own institution and own situation are a tiny slice of the professional culture.
    Of course we should support each other. If I knew someone with this profile and they got tenure, then I would treat them just as well as anybody else, or I certainly would have every intention to do so. I would never call out individuals, because I don’t know the individual situation. However, that still leaves room to call out a general structure that I think is problematic in many cases, even though I do not have enough information to point out the particular instances. And even if I did have enough information, pointing it out would be wrong. There is no sense in bringing down people who made it however they made it, but there is sense in trying to change norms for the future.
    Supporting each other hardly means that we should support every norm in philosophy simply because there are some people that benefit from that norm. Nor should we always vote for tenure in every case simply because we believe in supporting each other. We have to look at whether the conditions for tenure are merited. We also should look at all the people harmed by certain institutional norms, even if they left philosophy, and how given norms impact the overall professional discipline.
    Lastly, I just don’t see the relevance about journal articles. I think it would be pretty silly for anybody to make that claim, for we all have biases about the quality of our own work. What worries me about the situation I describe is not that there could never be quality work that arises that way, but that it provides a very clear path for people to succeed on nothing other than the coattails of prestige. Again, this does NOT mean that everyone who succeeded this way succeeded only due to prestige, but I think we should be wary of any institutional structure that so easily allows a path for this to happen.
    No worries about coming across as aggressive or whatever. I don’t mind disagreement 🙂

  14. E

    “it bothers me because I think the process is sometimes unfair, and that it generally further entrenches the already very pervasive elitist power structures in philosophy. Sure, tenure isn’t exactly a zero sum game, but philosophy jobs certainly are, and if someone gets tenure who does not merit it, then they take a job that could be there for someone who does merit it.”
    Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Whether someone merits tenure at a department is determined fully (and justifiedly, I might add) by whether the individual serves the needs of the department adequately, as assessed only by the members of that particular department. If there’s a serious worry here about jobs being “taken” from other people, it happens at the initial hiring stage – not at tenure decisions.

  15. A Philosopher

    “Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Whether someone merits tenure at a department is determined fully (and justifiedly, I might add) by whether the individual serves the needs of the department adequately, as assessed only by the members of that particular department.”
    “Ridiculous” is a very strong word.
    This quote, read flat-footedly, suggests that people can’t be mistaken about what’s good for them. That’s not true.
    We, as philosophers, should be worried that we are making lots of decisions which harm ourselves. After all, philosophy departments are being closed left and right, most of our PhDs are going without permanent full time employment, and the discipline is dying in other ways.
    Further, the thought that tenure decisions and the evaluative practices behind them are beyond the scope of outside criticism is very odd. The standards we set for tenure are part of a tight web of professional norms encompassing hiring decisions, grad program admissions, research direction and practices, course selection, public engagement, etc.
    So there’s all sorts of totally intelligible reasons someone like Amanda might be critical of the evaluative practices of other philosophy faculty, even (or especially) in contexts like tenure decisions. It’s not hard to think them up.

  16. E

    A Philosopher:
    Keep in mind the context of this discussion – one concerning the value of publications in edited volumes. The suggestion from Amanda is that a department could be criticizable from the outside (say, by Amanda) for tenuring someone that doesn’t produce research that Amanda deems to be of sufficient quality, despite whatever other teaching and service needs that person might serve well as judged by members of that very department.
    That’s rid…hard to buy! Not every department exists to further our discipline’s research.

  17. A Philosopher

    Hi E, thanks for the clarification. I took Amanda’s criticism differently (and heard your own response more broadly than I now see you intended it). Given that Amanda’s comment seemed to be focused on research schools, I think her point still stands.

  18. Tom

    Just curious: even if we focus on research schools, why should it matter for tenure considerations whether the written work is in peer-reviewed journals, edited volumes, or indeed available only on PhilPapers? A constant theme on this blog, and increasingly in the profession in general, is that whether or not a paper passes through the filter of peer-review is largely a matter of luck. If that is right, then it seems only reasonable that tenure committees and especially external letter writers focus only on what really matters, namely the quality of the scholarship, which the letter writers can determine for themselves by reading it.

  19. Amanda

    And I quote,
    “Whether someone merits tenure at a department is determined fully (and justifiedly, I might add) by whether the individual serves the needs of the department adequately, as assessed only by the members of that particular department. If there’s a serious worry here about jobs being “taken” from other people, it happens at the initial hiring stage – not at tenure decisions.”
    Hmmm, so you are suggesting that tenure committees can never possibly make a mistake when they decide who does or does not merit tenure? But somehow a mistake can be made at the hiring decision level?
    Yeah, that seems false to me. If hires can be merited or unmerited, so can tenure decisions. To suggest that whatever a tenure committee says is merited is merited….well, this is to get rid of any objective standard or any possibility of making a poor or unjust decision. So if a tenure committee decided to tenure someone only because a candidate had connections to big money, and big money benefited the department, you would think this is just as merited as any other decision?

  20. Amanda

    And E, seriously? I only said repeatedly that it would be wrong to criticize any individual case. It is beyond uncharitable to suggest that I said that myself or anyone else has the authority to go around and make criticisms of individual departments. I am criticizing the general phenomena at a broad level, and made very clear that I am in no position to criticize any individual case.
    I also think the problem with this is mostly at research universities, sorry for not making this clear before.

  21. E

    “Hmmm, so you are suggesting that tenure committees can never possibly make a mistake when they decide who does or does not merit tenure? But somehow a mistake can be made at the hiring decision level?”
    Yes.
    “Yeah, that seems false to me. If hires can be merited or unmerited, so can tenure decisions. To suggest that whatever a tenure committee says is merited is merited….well, this is to get rid of any objective standard or any possibility of making a poor or unjust decision.”
    It doesn’t follow from there being no extra-departmental standards for tenure that there aren’t any standards. Standards are set by a department’s needs, and internal members of a department can make mistakes about whether a candidate for tenure meets those needs. There’s no View From Nowhere when it comes to this sort of thing.
    “So if a tenure committee decided to tenure someone only because a candidate had connections to big money, and big money benefited the department, you would think this is just as merited as any other decision?”
    Yes.

  22. tilde-E

    E, please, do not just stand by something because you said it and are not prepared to reconsider the scope of your claim. I worked at a place where someone got hired and they should not have. They did not have their PhD yet, and the hires that would follow were all on the market 3+ years post-Ph.D. And then this same person got tenure when they should not have. They had two (lack lustre) articles in obscure journals, when those hired after were HIRED (not tenured) with more publications in better places. The University just made one mistake after the other with this person. It happens.

  23. Amanda

    E:
    Fair enough, then. We can let others decide for themselves whether making broad criticisms of certain institutional norms is “ridiculous,” or whether it is ridiculous to support tenuring people on the grounds that they are friends with rich folk.

  24. E

    tilde-E: “E, please, do not just stand by something because you said it and are not prepared to reconsider the scope of your claim. I worked at a place where someone got hired and they should not have.
    The view I stated above is that hiring but not tenure decisions are subject to external criticism, so you should already know what I’m going to say to you. The mistake was made at the hiring decision in the case you describe. Without hearing more about the tenure decision, you haven’t provided a serious criticism of my view. Did you even read let alone “consider” what I had written?
    Amanda: “Fair enough, then. We can let others decide for themselves whether making broad criticisms of certain institutional norms is “ridiculous,” or whether it is ridiculous to support tenuring people on the grounds that they are friends with rich folk.”
    It’s interesting that you fall keep falling back on describing individual cases rhetorically to illustrate your point while in the same breath repeating that your point concerns broader norms, isn’t it?

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