One of the Cocoon's readers, Mandi Astola (PhD Candidate, Eindhoven University of Technology), submitted the following guest post:

We are doing interdisciplinarity wrong

A lot of young philosophers are being educated to become interdisciplinary philosophers. And many philosophers scoff at that. Journals that publish interdisciplinary work tend to be seen as less prestigious, as are papers with many co-authors (which is what often happens in interdisciplinary work). There is a sense in which interdisciplinarity can involve a “watering down” of philosophy, which philosophers don’t love.

However, even for all the negatives: the rise of the interdisciplinary philosopher is probably a good thing in the long run. The ecological, technological and political crises that we are facing cannot be solved with single disciplines. It is important that philosophers learn to talk with other disciplines. However, I think that the way in which we are doing it is often counterproductive.

Before I tell you why it’s counterproductive, let me explain how I came to think this. I have worked on an interdisciplinary project, in the role of an ethicist. I also took part in writing a project proposal, where I would have a part as an ethicist. Apart from that, I have been in close contact with various other projects where there was an ethics component. I have always felt a little dissatisfied with the place of philosophy in these projects.

I found that in many of the projects I have seen, the place of philosophy was, in the worst case, as an add-on. In the best case, it was seen as an important perspective, among other important disciplinary perspectives. How should we understand and govern societal phenomenon x? Well, let’s see what the philosopher, the sociologist and the economist think about it and integrate them. Those perspectives would be synthesized into some sort of compromise solution. This might sound like a good democratic way to do research.

However, the problem is that in projects like these, philosophy is constrained to be in service of another non-philosophy question. Philosophy is squeezed into a space where it has no room to breathe. No room to be itself. The result can be a forced collaboration that yields weird research. How should one draw a sociological conclusion using philosophy? After all, sociological conclusions are by necessity based on empirical research, not philosophy. A philosophical conclusion is not empirical data, or a conclusion based on empirical data. So how can it contribute to a sociological study in a significant way? If all disciplines are equal, then is interdisciplinarity just letting them fight it out?

We seem to have forgotten something important, namely, the natural hierarchy of the disciplines. Let us remember what we learned as undergraduates. What discipline is the parent of all the sciences? What is at the top of the knowledge hierarchy? Philosophy! And what did Aristotle say was at the top of the hierarchy of the arts? What do all arts culminate in? Ethics! One learns to heal the sick, because one believes health is good. One learns a craft, because it produces something valuable. Ethical and philosophical questions are the questions of questions, in which all other knowledge eventually culminates. The empirical sciences are in the service of philosophy, and all arts are in the service of ethics.

Perhaps it sounds old fashioned, but why not have philosophy by default in the lead of interdisciplinary projects? An ethical question, like “what should the government do about x?” needs to be broken down into various sub questions in a philosophically informed method. These sub-questions can be answered using various empirical sciences. That way the disciplines find their natural place in the tree of knowledge, yielding research that makes sense. Philosophy should take its proper place at the leading end of the other disciplines.

It also helps that the important societal questions that interdisciplinarity is supposed to be the solution for, are also philosophical questions. “How should we deal with the energy transition?” “How should we deal with the rise of populism?” “What does it mean to be sustainable?” These are all philosophical questions that involve empirical subquestions. Philosophers should determine the former and other scientists and scholars the latter.

I realize that this sounds self-important and control-freakish. It sounds like I want to be a philosopher queen, ruling over everyone else with my superior wisdom. But philosophy is after all a discipline that concerns itself with, as Sellars is quoted saying, “how things in the broadest possible sense of the term hang together in the broadest possible sense of the term.” It is therefore the very essence of philosophy to lead inquiry. That does not mean it is the most important discipline, just that it is the one that should lead the others in conceptualizing the broadest lines of collective inquiry.

This means that we interdisciplinary philosophers desperately need to develop leadership skills. We need to be either initiating interdisciplinary projects or pushing ourselves to the forefronts of such projects. Otherwise the project loses the distinctive benefits of philosophy.

Allow me to share a few quick reactions before opening things up for discussion. On the one hand, I appreciate the general sentiments behind Astola's piece: namely, that in some sense interdisciplinary research projects should be guided by philosophical reasoning, rather than have philosophy attached to such projects as an afterthought. There are, after all, notable historical precedents of philosophy playing a critical role in empirical findings. Einstein, for example, was led to the Theory of Relativity in part by reading Hume, whose empiricism led Einstein to be skeptical of a priori accounts of space and time. Indeed, as a result of reading Hume and Mach, Einstein pretty much adopted a positivist outlook on things, reasoning that scientific claims about space and time must reduce to what is verifiable through measurements. Einstein then took the step of inferring that because the observed speed of light is the same in all reference frames, clocks and other measures of time must move at different speeds relative to different reference frames. Einstein wasn't the first to notice that this is what observations imply (Poincaré realized it as well). Einstein simply took the further step in inferring that this implies that space and time themselves are actually relative. Hence, we very much owe the theory of relativity and all of the practical innovations it has led to (such as GPS) to philosophy.

So, it seems, there's a real case to be made that philosophy should play a leading role in interdisciplinary work. Still, I have two concerns: one practical and the other more principled. The practical concern is that telling our interdisciplinary collaborators that our projects with them should be led by philosophy does sound "self-important and control-freakish." Or, at least it runs a serious risk of rubbing our interdisciplinary colleagues the wrong way. My general experience is that people in general tend to think their own discipline is super important. For example, physicists routinely trash philosophy, contending that its their field that makes the real, important progress, not ours. Suffice it to say, trying to stake out this kind of superiority doesn't seem all that conducive to effective collaboration. Effective collaboration normally requires collaborators to feel treated as equals. And indeed, this sort of seems to be what animates Astola's complaint in the first place: namely, that in her experience in interdisciplinary collaborations, philosophy often seems treated like an afterthought. Anyway, that's my practical concern: that to work well with interdisciplinary collaborators, it's probably not best to approach such collaborations from the general perspective that philosophy should take the lead. It may well be possible to overcome this practical hurdle in some cases–for example, cases where philosophers are the main grant-holders (such as in some Templeton grants and such)–but in that case we run into other concerns: namely, concerns about the manner in which private grants might steer projects according to the values of the granting agency.

Finally, I have some principled concerns about the idea that philosophers should lead interdisciplinary collaborations. One of the main complaints that scientists often have about philosophy, after all, is a complaint that many philosophers raise: namely, that philosophical methods aren't reliable or truth-apt. If, as many of our scientific collaborators contend, the sciences generally have superior methods for arriving at the truth, we might wonder whether interdisciplinary collaborations ought to be led by practitioners of methods that, in general, appear to be less truth apt. 

In any case, I thank Astola for submitting her thought-provoking post, and I'm curious to hear what readers think. It might be particularly illuminating to hear from other philosophers who have worked in interdisciplinary collaborations!

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6 responses to “Should philosophers lead interdisciplinary projects? (Guest post by Mandi Astola)”

  1. Collaborative Graduate Student

    The vast majority of my work is inter- and multidisciplinary (about 10 papers), and this proposal sounds truly misguided. In a proper collaboration, research goals are set out and achieved together – experiments are designed together (not merely by the experimentalists), data analysis is done together (yes, also by philosophers), and so on. Having an approach where a sociologist writes one part and a philosopher another seems quite wrong (and does not seem to be how collaboration works anyways). But then arguing to put one’s own discipline on top is something that I would consider as expressing the worst types of leadership skills that the author suggests we develop (partially for the reasons Marcus lists). Overall then, I don’t think that this approach would improve collaborations in any way and would endanger many of the ones I have and especially the ones I might have.

  2. anon

    A lot of tacit assumptions play a role in anyone prioritizing the research questions that they do decide to prioritize. I wouldn’t want to take for granted that philosophers are the best generators of research questions, and I think that collaborations that push us to think of questions in a different way are good for interdisciplinary inquiry (and inquiry in general).

  3. Noah Hahn

    What’s control-freakish about letting philosophers lead? Good leadership doesn’t require a freakish level of control. The danger isn’t self-importance, but vainglory. Self-importance doesn’t entail vice unless it’s inordinate, and Mandi has argued that in this case it’s perfectly ordinate. I think her argument is sound, too, not just the “general sentiment” behind it.
    If philosophy doesn’t lead, someone else will; there is no neutral ground. This is exemplified by our university structure, where the various arts and sciences are cordoned into “departments,” construed as basically similar instances of the same kind, rather than as the unique members of various hierarchies that they actually are. But dethroning philosophy in this way just leaves a queen-shaped hole. There will still be a leading set of values — probably those of the market, which are more tyrannical than queenly, as we know well. Predictably, the institutional worship of capital favors the natural sciences, since those produce information; and information always has more popular appeal than wisdom, since it allows me to bend the world to my will, instead of the other way around.
    So the “egalitarian” project begs the question of which science should lead, functionally privileging the natural sciences and market values. A similar point applies to the attempt to ground philosophy’s claim to leadership in its contributions to various scientific or technological projects. The “Einstein read Hume” line, for example, seems to tacitly accept that when it matters, the aspirations of the natural sciences trump those of philosophy.
    We might remember that the same Plato who wanted philosophers to be in charge defined a philosopher elsewhere as one who knows how to ask questions. This is the practice which Gadamer called “a discipline of questioning and answering.” Gadamer’s point was that the methods of the natural sciences are not appropriate to the human sciences. So when people complain that the methods of the humanities aren’t “reliable” or “truth-apt,” what they really seem to mean is that the humanities don’t generate nearly universal human consensus on previously undiscovered facts, something that natural science does do. But why think that philosophy should do this? Philosophy’s lack of this power is precisely what allows it to be a good leader in principle.
    A similar point applies in practice. Philosophy takes up leadership not by styling itself as similar but superior to natural science; if it did, scientists would have a right to be disdainful. Instead, philosophy dives right into the discipline of question and answering that it is uniquely equipped to do, all for the love of wisdom. When I engage physicists in this way, I find them to be friendly and open.

  4. I love this topic, and not just because my first degree was a philosophically informed interdisciplinary studies programme (see http://ki.uwaterloo.ca ). I’ve been collaborating in some interdisciplinary work in computer ethics and computer science education recently, and I find it highly rewarding, and much more impactful than anything I’ve done in uni-disciplinary philosophy.
    I think it might be helpful to add in some terminology that’s becoming more common in interdisciplinary work: to wit, the distinction between multidisciplinary, interdisciplinary, and transdisciplinary research. If I recall correctly, multidisciplinary work just involves researchers from several different disciplines, some of whom may merely be contributing some supplemental perspective, as when ethics is added on as a consideration that is less than central to the main project. Interdisciplinary research, in this framework, is a more substantive collaboration, where the insights of one discipline inform the work contributed by another; no one partner in the project is an “add-on” or supplement, each is essential to the integrated whole. This is where I think a lot of good computer ethics is now: the philosophy isn’t just there as a momentary reflection on how some moral theory or principle might apply to the case, but informs how technologies should be conceived and which projects should even be undertaken. Transdisciplinary research takes the integration a step further and creates something that is distinct from the original disciplinary contributors, combining them into a new research discipline. Cognitive science is potentially a case of this, where philosophy, psychology, computer science, neuroscience, and other fields have combined to make a new field of study.
    I think there’s a place for each of these kinds of research that cross traditional disciplinary boundaries — which approach to adopt depends on the needs of a particular project. And I think that speaks against the notion that philosophy should always assume a lead role. If the project is to create some sophisticated machine learning model, for example, philosophy has a role to play in, for example, the ethical issues that model might present, but the lead arguably should be taken by those trained in computer–scientific and mathematical methods.

  5. Mandi Astola

    Nice counterpoints here. Here is maybe a less condescending way to say it: philosophers should take the role of structuring interdisciplinary research. Philosophy should inform the translation of descriptive claims to normative claims. Or is that still condescending?
    Two points about what collaborative grad student is saying:
    – I was not thinking so much about paper writing but more about structuring big interdisciplinary projects that adress an interdisciplinary question, like “What should the press do to adress polarization?” In that question there is a normative question (“should”) with various subcomponents (i.e. what is the purpose of the press? Is polarization bad? etc) and there is a descriptive question with various components. I really think that philosophy is the perfect discipline to make sense of these different components. There is not much else philosophy can do than clarify concepts here, right? So why not use philosophy for that.
    – I would be interested in hearing how you structure your interdisciplinary (multidisciplinary, transdisciplinary…) collaborations. And especially what is the place of philosophy there. If you are designing an experiment and analysing data, are you still doing philosophy? Is it interdisciplinary in the sense that it includes philosophy? Or are you venturing outside your discipline? How do you see this?

  6. Evan

    I don’t have much of a negative or positive argument. But I will offer a piece of wisdom. I’m assuming most interdisciplinary work involves an asymmetrical initial interaction insofar as one group or person must reach out to the other in the first place. Sometimes, nonphilosophers will reach out to philosophers first. Sometimes, philosophers will reach out to nonphilosophers first.
    If the former, philosophers can be more confident that the nonphilosophers will respect and value the input and insights of the philosopher. It’s commonsense that usually when somebody comes to you for advice, they see value in your opinions or expertise and probably has high respect for you.
    If the latter, it’s difficult to be as confident compared to the first scenario since the philosopher is going out of her way to seek collaboration with these nonphilosphers. It’s obvious she sees value and respects these academics because of her willingness to get their input. But she can’t be certain whether they feel the same way about her.
    But even if they agree to collaborate, there’s still no guarantee that the philosopher and her expertise won’t be treated unfairly. I don’t know how often philosophers are marginalized or disrespected within these collaborations. But given so much hostility against philosophical research from outsiders, it’s wise to be cautious about who philosophers can and should ask to collaborate with.
    Do your research on these people before you commit to doing research with them.

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